Atlantis and the Persian Empire

June 6, 2012

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Atlantis was part of a mighty empire with a fleet of 1200 ships and a vast army which it sent against Athens. Could these have sailed from a continent the size of Asia and Libya combined which existed n the Atlantic Ocean?
They didn’t need to. Herodotus tells us the army of Xerxes and the Persian Empire tallied 1200 ships and was routed by the Greeks with Athens at their head at the Battle of Salamis. The cause of the war; the Greek invasion of the Asian mainland and capture of Troy centuries earlier. Plato wasn’t writing history, he didn’t like democracy and was writing a philosophical story to illustrate the ideal form of government with philosopher kings. So Plato took the geographical description of the “Atlantic Island” brought from Egypt and grafted onto it details of the Persian war against Athens, added a few embellishments of his own and polishing up the work which became the basis of his lost Atlantis.

Atlantis and the Persian Empire – Introduction

by Jim Allen

FOR SOME PEOPLE the subject of Atlantis is like a taboo subject. That is, for those who work in the fields of archaeology and anthropology. Who of those would dare go against the teachings of their learned professors  and  doctors  who  say  that  Atlantis  is  nothing more than a myth, invented by Plato for philosophical purposes.
For others, every word of Atlantis is apparently true and they search every exact detail in all the far flung corners of the globe.
Plato himself repeats several times that it is a true story, or if we read carefully, that it is based upon a true story, that is, a story brought from Egypt by his ancestor Solon, and which Plato proposed to build upon and use as an illustration at a forthcoming festival.

The subject  which Plato wished to illustrate was the ideal form of government. Not for him democracy, in fact he thought democracy to be one of the worst forms of  government, giving power to the mass of uneducated  people  and  also  opening  the  way  for  the  rich  people  to exploit the poor. Plato thought the best form of government to be a form of government by philosopher kings and to show how good this form of government would be, he proposed to tell a story about a hypothetical Athens and it would  also  be  necessary  to  show  how  his  hypothetical  Athens  had militarily defeated a great power in time of war. In  fact,  not  long  before  Plato’s  time,  Athens  and  the  Greeks  had defeated a great power which set out to enslave Athens.
But  the  Athens  of  that  time  had  been  a  democracy,  so  no,  that wouldn’t do, he couldn’t use a story of a democracy defeating a great power to illustrate how his philosopher kings had defeated a great power – or could he?
He had a story already at hand, so he claimed, which was passed down from his ancestor Solon. That would do nicely, since it talked of a great power which came out of the Atlantic Ocean and had been based upon an  island  the  size  of  Libya   and  Asia   combined  but  which  had subsequently sunk in a day and night of earthquakes.

And all that had apparently happened 9,000 years before Solon, or in about 9,600 BC. And there we have the basic problem, no Greeks or Athens in 9,600 BC and no lost continent in the Atlantic Ocean.

Plato, “Timaeus… Soc. There are conflicts which all cities undergo, and I should like to hear some one tell of our own city carrying on a struggle against her neighbours, and how she went out to war in a becoming manner…  when you had engaged our city in a suitable war, you of all men living could best exhibit her playing a fitting part.

Tim. The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. … Consider then, Socrates, if this narrative is suited to the purpose, or whether we should seek for some other instead. Soc. And what other, Critias, can we find that will be better than this, which is natural and suitable to the festival of the goddess, and has the very great advantage of being a fact and not a fiction? How or where shall we find another if we abandon this?”

So did Plato simply make it all up as most scholars would have us believe? Or is there a rational explanation for any parts of Plato’s story? In fact the great power which had been defeated by Athens and the Greeks just a few years before Plato’s time had come out of Asia, not out of the Atlantic and that power was the Persian Empire under Xerxes.
Defeated at the battle of Salamis by the triremes of the Greek fleet, Xerxes ran for home and left his vast army in the hands of one of his generals to be routed soon afterwards, but that was shortly after 480 BC, not 9,600 BC.

A two part solution

It is clear however from the details that Plato gives, that his geographic description is based upon a description of South America and the Altiplano while the description of the forces of Atlantis with its 1200 ships and 10,000 chariots is based upon a description of the Persian invasion of Greece, that is what his invading army of Atlantis is based upon, and to give his Atlantis an air of respectability he removed it from 480 BC to 9,600 BC or maybe simply used lunar months to calculate his years since 9,000 sidereal lunar months instead of years brings the date down from 9,600 to 1260 BC and that’s when it all began, with the Greek invasion of  mainland Asia and the defeat of Troy in the famous ten years war so well told by Homer.
Even so, Plato no doubt wanted his story to be believable, and at that time many people thought the world to be flat, or, according to the Greek view to consist of a centralized land mass of Europe, Africa (Libya) and Asia with a watery river or Ocean flowing around the whole ensemble.
Plato himself taught that the world was round, like a sphere or football, but imaginative as he was, bearing in mind he wanted his story to be credible, did he really dream up an imaginery continent in the Atlantic Ocean west of the Pillars of Hercules, or did he truly have some writings passed over from Egypt which described a great continent in the Atlantic Ocean?
Even as late as 1492, Christopher Columbus [13] sailing westwards thought he would be sailing uninterrupted to India, or Japan, or China, not imagining a great landmass in between, or was he looking for the lost land of Plato?

Few Quotes from the Chapter 3:

3. Bolivia and the Sumerian Connection

Artefacts found in Bolivia and South America suggest an ancient Sumerian connection.

Whilst looking for improved illustrations of the god who emerged from the sea called in Sumerian legend, Oannes, I came across similar sculptures in the Father Crespi collection in Ecuador. Instead of having a “fish head” aspect, these sculptures portrayed instead an “eagle head” aspect.

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Sargon of Akkad claimed to have been “Lord of the Four Quarters”  (just like in the Andes, the Incas were “Lords of the Four Quarters, this being the name for the later Inca Empire called Tahuantinsuyo). It is usually assumed that the four quarters of Sargon were the territories bounding on his Assyrian kingdom, but Sargon also claimed to have made a voyage to the far west, to obtain the metal tin. Again it is usually assumed that he went to  Cornwall for his tin but there were also plentiful supplies in Bolivia so perhaps when he claimed to be lord of the Four Quarters of the World, that world did after all include Bolivia and South America.

The Fuente Magna, a large stone dish found on the shores of Lake Titicaca, is covered in proto-Sumerian writing, so prehaps Sargon’s claim was true after all. It has also been found that there are many Semitic words or roots underlaying the local Aymara language in Bolivia as documented in a book “La Lengua de Adán” (The Language of Adam) by Bolivian scholar, Villamil de Rada.

 Then there is the name of the oldest inhabitants of the Altiplano, who lived in reed houses and built reed boats just like the Sumerians. They were called the Uru, and in Mesopotamia, one of the oldest or first cities according to G.Maspero (History of ancient Egypt, Chaldea) was also called URU, later shortened to UR. The people of the Uru-Chipaya village in the most remote region in the Salar de Coipasa of the Altiplano are famous for their domed  circular houses, and the vast expanse of level plain is itself similar to the ancient plain of Mesopotamia famous for its canals and lesser known, circular domed houses.

Assyrian sculptures are famous for their winged and eagle headed “Genii” as they are sometimes called. Often shown with eagle wings, mask and a basket in one hand, the above Assyrian drawing of a god shows the conventional eagle mask but on his back he has what is unquestionably a feathered headdress, not only that, but this type of headdress is identical to those worn on the back by American Indians.
An example of the American variety is given in the second illustration while the third illustration shows an Aztec warrior wearing an eagle mask which if pulled over the head would very much resemple the eagle mask shown in the Assyrian drawing.
The first gods of Sumeria were said to have emerged from the sea and taught civilisation to the ancient Sumerians, these gods were often depicted in the form of a man wearing a fish costume, usually this god is called Oannes  and sometimes drawings show either a fish or reptilian head (mask).

Copyright 2012 by Jim Allen
http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/boliviaandthesumerianconnection.htm


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Get the entire fascinating book by Jim Allen:  “Atlantis and the Persian Empire” (book 4 in the Atlantis series).

CONTENTS

Introduction
1. In pursuit of Helen
2. Circular cities
3. Bolivia and the Sumerian connection
4. The route to the sea
5. Atlantis in the seventeenth century
6. Atlas across the Ocean
7. Lost Calendar of the Andes
8. Artefacts
9. Army and navy of Atlantis
10. The wealth of Atlantis
11. The impassable mountain
12. The Atlantis Stade
13. Tiwanaku cubit
14. Teotihuacan and Mayan cubits
15. Plain comparison
16. Altiplano versus Crete
References

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Another Book by Jim Allen

Atlantis: The Andes Solution – The Discovery of South America as the Legendary Continent of Atlantis

Allen, a former air photo interpreter for Britain’s Royal Air Force who has also studied ancient measurements, weighs in here with another theory concerning the legendary lost continent, thought at various times by scholars to have been located in the Bahamas, Antarctica or in the Aegean Sea. Plato, who first referred to Atlantis in his dialogues Timaeus and Critias, described it as inhabited by a powerful civilization that tried to conquer the peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean and were punished when their continent was swallowed by the ocean after a day and night of earthquakes and floods. Based on Plato’s account (reprinted here) and his own research, which included a trip to South America, Allen argues that the site of Atlantis was on the Bolivian Altiplano (a series of high plains). Allen’s major points rest on rather shaky foundations: the similarity of the Bolivian terrain to the geographical details in Plato’s dialogues; the fact that floods and earthquakes have occurred in the Bolivian Altiplano; and the fact that precious metals referred to by Plato as mined in Atlantis are also found in Bolivia.This is enjoyable reading, but seems more an exercise in textual legerdemain than science as Allen relies heavily on his own interpretation of Plato, which makes his ideas intriguing rather than convincing. Atlantis buffs will want to add this to their shelves, but few readers will be convinced by the many parallels Allen attempts to draw between the ancient cultures of the Mediterranean and pre-Columbian America. B&w photos; color photos not seen by PW. Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc.

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j.a. January 4, 2013 at 5:25 pm

Greece as well as egypt where keepers of universal knowledge they had acsess to many dimensions and geometry they have a fine culture, The sumerians/annunaki tried to take over there customs for control dramas when there male gods where gelious.

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thomas mitchell June 26, 2012 at 11:22 am

hi people,i live in oregon and have been collecting riverstone artifacts for 15 years …scholors refuse to see the images left on this material because of preconceptions…lighting has to be dim and from one direction to see shadows in the tiny pecking on basalt…because of the imagrey i have concluded that these are the ancient proto sanskrit speakers,when all were one people… and believe this epoch ended with the dissappearing of the megafauna here..i have thousands of examples which resemble picasso like faces of 2 people as one as demonstrated on your site..i need someone in oregon to see my many thousands of pieces showing this and other themes.suggesting gnomic imagrey etc. thank you…tom

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ghassan al kadri June 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm

SIRS:MAY BE THE GOING BACK IN HISTORY COULD GIVE US GREAT MIRROR ABOUT
THE MAN KIND BEHAVIOUR,FOR PERSONS AND PEOPLE GROUPS,BUT WE HOPE TO GO BACK TO CONSTANTS BETTER THAN PHENOMENA,BECAUSE THE CONSTANTS ARE
VERY STRICT,AND WE HOPE THAT,THANKS

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