Other-dimensional experiences: Subjective, Objective, or Both?

Other-dimensional experiences: Subjective, Objective, or Both?

by Dan Neiman

We don’t often think about it, but all of our experiences are subjective. They are experiences had by only one. I have my experiences, you have your experiences, and Bill Gates has his. All of your experiences occur in the sphere of your own mind and are different from other peoples. There is, of course, an objective component to experience. If you and I both experience seeing a car accident and then discuss what happened afterwards, we might very well agree about a lot of what happened. “Yeah, this blue car was changing lanes and didn’t see the white car beside him and rammed right into him. Then the driver of the white car got out and was swearing at the blue car’s driver.” Of course, there will also be differences in what you remember seeing, such as the color of the driver’s shirt, but the main events should be congruent. Since our two experiences correlate to a high degree we logically assume that the event is independent of any one of our minds. In other words, it’s not a subjective imagining or hallucination.

These sorts of shared experiences clue us into an objectively existing reality independent of any one person’s mind. The same is true for experiences in another dimension. When we have a number of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens we can compare accounts, and if those accounts have a high degree of correlation we will assume that they are not imagining these experiences. The same is true for Near-Death Experiences. We look at the common elements, such as the realms they visit or the beings they encounter. Then we make the logical inference that this is a real objective experience. Actually, the experience is real whether it’s subjective or objective. I mean, just think about it. Your experiences are real to you even if they aren’t shared by anyone else. You can’t read my thoughts, but I will bet my life savings that my thoughts are absolutely real. What’s real is what we experience. That’s what is real to us. And all experience is subjective. This idea of an objective experience is simply one where there is a high degree of correlation between many peoples’ subjective experiences.

With that said, there’s also a lot of variability in other dimensional accounts, such as with UFO abductions and Near-Death Experiences. One UFO experiencer might meet gray alien types who perform a surgical operation and another might be abducted by a being of crystal-light energy who takes them to a crystal forest. Another might experience robed beings who show him holographic scenes and convey messages. Similarly, one near death experiencer might be met by a robed being who says he is Jesus and takes him to a beautiful pasture where people are playing and dancing around trees, while another might find himself by a beach on another planet in another dimension with a Spanish speaking guide named Peco.1 Another may find himself flying towards a city with beautiful buildings that look like milky glass with veins of gold running through them.2

These variations are not at all unlike what you might expect in this world. If an alien who had no idea about planet Earth or life on it came and interviewed an Amazonian tribal medicine man and a computer engineer from Los Angeles, that alien might come away thinking that they were from completely different planets! Their subjective experiences of the world would differ drastically. The tribal medicine man would speak at length about communing with plant spirits, while the actor would speak at length about operating various electronic devices. However, there would still be a lot that was similar about their experiences. For instance, both communicate by spoken word and both need to ingest food and water for survival.

We get the same kind of variance and congruity in other-dimensional experiences. Although one experiencer might interact with a gray alien and another may meet a crystal-light energy being, communication is almost invariably done by way of telepathy. This is an objective staple of other-dimensional experiences. There are other staples that are  more or less common, such as the ability to float or fly, a fluid environment where you can go from one place to another very quickly (like the scene just shifts), and the ability to change one’s appearance or move by thought.

In other-dimensional experiences we often see our thought processes affecting what we experience. We see this in physical reality too, but it’s not as pronounced. One example is the placebo effect whereby our thoughts affect the physical processes of our body. Another is people who walk on hot coals and don’t get burned because of their cultural belief that the gods will protect them. In other dimensional experiences we see, for instance, that beings in higher dimensions can change their appearance. It is all done by way of thought. So, a being of light in the near death experience may present itself to you as a robed being resembling the caricature of Jesus. This may be because that’s the image that you are more comfortable with, so they will present themselves that way when interacting with you. You can also change your appearance in the afterlife and it’s no surprise that time and time again in NDE accounts we see people who had died at an old age looking a ripe young age again. I definitely don’t want to look like I’m 80 after I pass over. I’ll probably take on the appearance of me at 30.

Our thought processes reach even beyond this level of changing appearance and can even change the circumstances or environment we are in. For instance, near death experiencer Howard Storm was being attacked by very nasty evil entities after being deceived into following them out of the hospital. However, once he started remembering and singing loving songs and calling out to Jesus, the beings stopped harassing him and backed off. He was then greeted by Jesus who came and took him to a place of light and beauty.3 As regards alien abduction, abductee Steven Jones reports feeling afraid of the aliens due to the cultural input that these kinds of encounters should not happen and are things to be feared. However, after intending to not be a victim anymore and to have more control over the experience, in the next abduction he finds that he does have more control and takes on a more participatory role in the abduction scenario.4 He goes from victim to participant and loses his fear of his encounters.

As pertains to the other-dimensional environment, it is intriguing how fluid it seems to be. One’s thoughts can have an effect on the environmental surroundings themselves. Such was the case with one of the abductees interviewed by John Mack. She experienced being taken by the aliens to a room which looked like a conference room “with shag carpeting, mahogany paneling, and a large viewing screen.” She says the more she thought that this was a corporate conference room, the more the room appeared in this style. But when she started questioning this scenery and realized it was just a sort of staged display, she says the images melted away and finally revealed the room as it actually was.5

It seems that we are able to mentally alter the environment by focused thought in this other dimension. Thought, in this sense, becomes the basic creative force. Another example comes from a NDE in which the near death experiencer, David, went to a realm that was not welcoming. David says that he was a very angry individual at this stage in his life which may explain where he now found himself. He says storms unfolded before him like none seen on earth. Various sizes of volcanic vents in the landscape would “blow steam and heat at any given moment. Sometimes, ghost apparitions would appear in the steam blast and start to wander around; lost as if searching for something they cannot find.”6 One of these very ugly and dirty looking entities actually bit his spirit body causing great pain. However, David finally started calling out to God and the entities backed away from him as if repelled by the thought of God. As he kept calling out to God and finding love in his heart, the landscape started magically transforming. As David describes it, “The planet was also changing under His light. I saw parts of the mountains tear open and gush forth in the form of waterfalls. The dark clouds above my head shrank backward at an amazingly swift pace. God has come; His light is warm and welcoming. I had then reached a high level of calm and peace. Slowly as His light would shed across the land you could see grass come up out of the ground. Huge trees would tear out of the surface and stand tall before me. Birds of all kinds would fly about the sky. All of Gods creatures came out of the forest as if to greet me. This was the most grand welcome back home.”7 Just as with the abduction conference room changing into an unappareled one under the direction of the abductee’s thought, David’s environment completely transformed before his eyes due to a change in thought/emotion.

At first sight this makes other-dimensional experiences much harder to classify under the label objective, or an even better word might be stable. And it is true that experiences in other dimensions are much more dynamic than experiences in the physical world. These experiences are more subjective in the sense that we have more control, through our thoughts and emotions, over the experience. But there is still plenty that’s objective about them, such as multiple near death experiencers visiting similar types of realms, experiencing similar elements like the tunnel and communicating with similar types of beings. With abductees, we see them describing the same types of aliens who abduct them, going through similar procedures and having similar things shown to them.

One thing that needs to be understood is that consciousness underlies the creation of all realities, including the physical. Although we don’t notice it as much, our thoughts and emotions also affect the world around us here in the physical, just in a more subtle way. Furthermore, consciousness has no limits. There are countless different realms and experiences to be had in other dimensions, as well as countless numbers of entities we may interact with. Together, as a collection of conscious beings with wills and desires we are creating, along with that Source/God Consciousness, everything that we experience. Any sort of objective reality depends on a collection of conscious beings sharing a similar experience. This happens in this dimension and in other dimensions. The only difference is that this dimension is more stable than some others. Thought, emotion, and desire still run the show. At the higher dimensions, or levels of conscious experience, we simply have more and more control over our experience. Subjectivity and objectivity are like running streams, so that when two or more subjective experiencers have coinciding experiences, the streams meet and form objectivity—a body of individuals sharing a similar experience. No doubt, this is coordinated at a very deep level. In other words, we are not even aware of the process by which our collective reality is created. It involves multiple consciousnesses and levels of consciousness.

In conclusion, even with the dynamism of other-dimensions, we still see people experiencing very similar things, whether it’s abductions or NDEs. So, just as there are various kinds of experiences in physical life, from the tribal medicine man spending his days wandering through the forest singing to the plants to the computer engineer in LA working on the latest computer circuit board, there are also various other-dimensional experiences that people have during NDEs, abductions, or OBEs. And just as in physical life, we can always find common ground in their various experiences and pull out the objective components. More importantly, in other dimensional experiences we see more easily the power of consciousness at work.

Copyright 2013 Dan Neiman

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Notes:

  1. Near Death Experience Research Foundation. Chris D’s 794. Accessed on January 19, 2013. http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/chris_d’s_nde.htm
  2. Near Death Experience Research Foundation. Jean R NDE 6166. Accessed on August 3, 2012. http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/jean_r_nde_6166.htm
  3. Storm, Howard, My Descent Into Death. New York: Doubleday, 2005.
  4. Jones, Steven, An Invitation to the Dance. Essex: Little Star Publishing, 2010.
  5. Mack, John E., Abduction. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1994, pgs. 170-171.
  6. Near Death Experience Research Foundation. David H’s. Accessed on January 19, 2013. http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/david_h’s.htm
  7. Ibid.

 

Comments

  1. says

    Dear Dan, it is extremely enlightening to read and understand the underlying meaning of your article. Being an Indian and having some knowledge about Indian philosophy, I find your blog distinctly other-dimensional. I do not know how much you know about the ancient Indian philosophy and thoughts, but I am sure you are very close to that. I also feel if you concentrate on ancient Indian writings, particularly the Bhagvat Geeta, you can create a profound theory on other dimensions, which are now and here with us.

    The universe is a persistent illusion and physics is not far from acknowledging it. The observations on subatomic and virtual particles and particularly the quantum reality mystifies our universe to a point of non-existence. Therefore, the objective realities are only apparent manifestations of the subjective dimensions, which are the energy of the void. At this realm of reality time and space are inconsequential. At this dimension the sub-atomic and virtual particles are as large as the infinite universe and the infinite universe is as potently undetectable as the sub-atomic and virtual particles. I believe that no objective study can make one understand the mysteries of the universe. It can only be experienced at a subjective dimension of appropriate frequency. Infinity always exists as a subjective dimension with highest frequency. The infinitely small is the point of consciousness of the infinitely big, similarly infinitely big tends to escape into infinitely small. In the distance between 1 and 2 or between one number to the succeeding number the infinity is trapped. Infinity, therefore, is an everyday subjective reality and also the highest level of other dimensional consciousness.

    Mind is older than body and matter. Before the beginning mind existed at that “Point of Singularity”– beyond space and time, and after the end mind will exist beyond the limitations of space and time for a new Creation to usher in. What exploded some 14 billion years ago was the consciousness of an intelligent mind, which scientists call “The Big Bang”. It was certainly not a bang but a “Creative Harmony”. The Creator appearing in and disappearing from the illusion of three dimensional universe is as non-existent as existent. This is a persistent and elusive paradox.

    Dan, I would love to read more of your blogs and publications.

  2. says

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  3. says

    nice… but where do we go after we acknowledge that we have this consciousness and there are other planes/dimensions on which it can operate… seems like this is merely the jumping of point for all the real interesting stuff :)

    • says

      That’s right Alex and that’s why I’m studying peoples experiences in these other realms. My next book will be all about these dimensions. Others are exploring these dimensions in various ways, through ndes, obes, etc… I look forward to communicating with them and finding out all I can.

  4. Brenda Brown says

    Hi Daniel Nelman. I hear you Daniel, but the problem with taking the God out of one’s ultimate truth, is that you lose the divine compass, and start coming from what seems right to your own human mind, or what appeals to people in general. Some of the time that might work, but divine truth and reality are so far beyond what humanity is, and often contradictory to what it wants and likes, that without keeping that difference in mind, people quickly start becoming heady and philosophical, instead of real, heart-enlightened, and conscious of the vast improvements in themselves and others, that are necessary.

    The point about keeping God as the ultimate truth, rather than just some accumulation of consciousness, is that His Person – Personality, is what makes truth, true. Keeping His Personality as the ultimate truth, you have a living standard by whom to measure yourself and everyone else, and a clear path of right and wrong. Whereas making ultimate truth, generic, automatically gives people license to add their ‘opinions’ to what that truth is, and pretty soon we have an encircling goulash, rather than straight lines, clear paths, and challenging goals.

    We are characters, Daniel, and character is the heart of everything we are. Thus, we need a Character to relate to and press towards. Without it, we become generic blobs, and likewise with the truth. It needs that Person at its heart, or it loses all its teeth, and reality. I very much enjoy looking as different aspects of truth, but we all need to see that its the same jewel we’re looking at, not something that morphs with every change of opinion or feeling.

    • says

      Well Brenda, it seems that we have different opinions about God here. You are making statements like “what it wants and likes” and “a living standard by whom to measure yourself and everyone else, and a clear path of right and wrong.” This to me seems like you’re coming from the perspective of some judge in the sky who wants or needs certain things from humanity. You say “making ultimate truth, generic, automatically gives people license to add their ‘opinions’ to what that truth is, and pretty soon we have an encircling goulash, rather than straight lines, clear paths, and challenging goals.”

      You seem to want a very structured life with a judgmental God who has very clear rules of what is right and what is wrong, like the ten commandments. This is the way and this is right and this is wrong. I can sympathize with this kind of view, but it is not the one I hold. I am in no way making the ultimate Truth generic though. I stated clearly that there is a Source Consciousness that lies behind all materiality and other dimensions. We are a part of that Source and co-create with it. The ultimate truth I guess you could say is Love, and by the light of Love we will judge ourselves. However, as far as one clear path that we should all set our sites on or one set of ultimate rules we should all adhere to like the ten commandments, I don’t buy that. We are here to experience and create and we are free to create the expressions of our desires and to create the experience we want. We are here for the adventure, to experience the joys and sufferings of life, live and grow, learn and experience. There is no set path in this endeavor and no absolute set of what’s right and what’s wrong. There are of course guidelines, such as Love your neighbor as yourself. But we are also told not to judge others. Our judgements stem from our limited set of beliefs and cultural conditioning. Ultimately there is just experience and what’s right and wrong in that experience is a judgement we make based on certain beliefs. Ultimately there is a Source Consciousness underpinning it all, everything is connected, and the universe and all beings are expressions of Love.

      • Brenda Brown says

        Hello again Daniel. When I made the comments about God wanting and liking certain things, and being a living standard by which to judge ourselves, and others by, etc., my point was that God is a living Person, a character, and because He is a character, He made us with specific characters. And because we are characters, we all have likes and dislikes, – any character does, because that’s what character is.

        Any parent who has a parent’s heart, looks at their children and judges from their characters, what would be good for them, what job or interest they should pursue, and wants the best for them – not wanting anything for them, would be not caring about them, it’s that simple. Likewise God, knowing us far better than we ever dreamt of, knows what would suit us, and would be good for us, and therefore, has a purpose and path for us. This doesn’t make Him a bad Judge, it makes him a smart and caring Creator.

        That He judges, isn’t because He’s horrible, it’s because He knows the truth, and when you know something, you judge accordingly. We all ‘judge’ everyday. You said, “…as far as one clear path that we should all set our sights on….like the 10 Commandments, I don’t buy that,” – that was judgement on your part. And while it is true that Paul told the Romans not to judge each other over belief in Sabbath days, eating meat, etc., he told the Corinthians to “..let he who is spiritual, judge all things…” (Romans 14: 1-14, I Corinthians 2:14-16)

        His point wasn’t to be brain-numb, not knowing anything for sure, it was to stop rejecting and cutting people off just because they had a different idea of what was right before God. Since the people he was referring to, were all Christians – believers of Christ’s sacrifice for sin, he advised them to act like the one body they were supposed to be representing.

        On the other hand, the Corinthians were having a problem understanding the rules and truths of being Christian, and therefore were accepting things they shouldn’t, and not dealing with things they should, so he was telling them to start listening to the Holy Spirit within them, and judge all things according to how He led them. And when I say ‘rules’ Daniel, that’s what truth is. The universe is built on facts – rules, this chemical plus that chemical, cause this reaction. Truth is a standard by which all things are judged, not because Truth has a condemning attitude, but because it is true, and anything that doesn’t match up, isn’t.

        You may not agree, or in other words, you may judge this as not true, but in the end, whatever people think or believe, will be held to the standard that God is, and will be seen for what they truly are. That will be a bottom line Daniel, that no one is going to get around.

        • stormsinthesky says

          God is not an anthropomorphic being with arms, legs, body, and head in the the eastern, mystical, spiritual perspective. If you were an ant, you would imagine God as an ant; a rock if you were a born as a rock.

          “It’s like you took a bottle of ink and you threw it at a wall. Smash! And all that ink spread. And in the middle, it’s dense, isn’t it? And as it gets out on the edge, the little droplets get finer and finer and make more complicated patterns, see? So in the same way, there was a big bang at the beginning of things and it spread. And you and I, sitting here in this room, as complicated human beings, are way, way out on the fringe of that bang. We are the complicated little patterns on the end of it. Very interesting. But so we define ourselves as being only that. If you think that you are only inside your skin, you define yourself as one very complicated little curlique, way out on the edge of that explosion. Way out in space, and way out in time. Billions of years ago, you were a big bang, but now you’re a complicated human being. And then we cut ourselves off, and don’t feel that we’re still the big bang. But you are. Depends how you define yourself. You are actually—if this is the way things started, if there was a big bang in the beginning— you’re not something that’s a result of the big bang. You’re not something that is a sort of puppet on the end of the process. You are still the process. You are the big bang, the original force of the universe, coming on as whoever you are. When I meet you, I see not just what you define yourself as—Mr so-and- so, Ms so-and-so, Mrs so-and-so—I see every one of you as the primordial energy of the universe coming on at me in this particular way. I know I’m that, too. But we’ve learned to define ourselves as separate from it.” ? Alan Watts

          In the Hindu perspective, everything, and everyone is God. You are God. I am God. Everything, and everyone is literally god. There is no one and no thing that is outside of God. All is the one same thing expressing itself into different forms. Just like how the characters, the backgrounds, the objects, and the setting you see in the movie are all pixels in the TV. Just like the same characters, place, setting, and object that you see in the video game are all programs. The creator is also the creation. It is not either this or that, but this and that. It is an inclusive includedness of everything. In other countries, there is no pronoun of he and she, the pronoun of man and woman is neutral and doesn’t discriminate based upon the gender. There is only he-she. The problem is because the west think of the creator, and creation as separate that they have this words. Just like how there are billions of cells within your body, and yet we only call ourselves one human being. Instead, of billions of cells that is a human being. We are not just the water that is separated from the ocean, we are not just a part of it, or sons and daughters of it, but the ocean itself. It is just that we differentiate and call ourselves a part of the ocean and separate ourselves from it.

          The Bible can be broken into two, what Jesus Christ said himself in the scriptures, and what the narrative comments about him. So, it is like differentiating between the commentary in the DVD, and the dialogue of the person within the movie. One of those examples is that the they, the writers of the story, refer to him as the only “begotten” Son of God, but in the Psalms 82:6, he personally said himself that “You are all sons and daughters of God”. Then there is the other part that Christianity somehow in someway had the conclusion that the only way for salvation is if they believe Jesus Christ being “the Lord and Saviour”, and through that they will go to heaven. When, Jesus Christ said it himself in Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you”.

          You can easily narrow this things down, if you have an idea of how to decode it. You merely need to focus on what Christ is said, not on the apostles or the follower’s interpretations, nor what the israelites thought he said, or the interpretation of what the Church think is Christ’s teachings.

          John 10:30 “I and the father are one”

          1 Corinthians 6:17 “He who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit”

          Jesus Christ message is simple, Matthew 22:37 “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind, and love thy neighbor as thyself”.

          Everything in reality is created from God/Consciousness, it is like an all-existing ocean, the human body is the bottle that contains the water from the ocean, and after the bottle disintegrate or the water was freed, it goes back to its source, the ocean. We are not just part of it, nor an offspring or came from it, we are the ocean itself contain in a bottle. So, you don’t have a soul, you are the soul itself. As a quote said, “We are spiritual beings having a human experience”.

          Consciousness could imagine plants, animals, trees, environment, multitudes of people, and experiences that are so real within a dream. Similarly that is what waking reality is. Only that this reality is rigid, fixed, and has it rules and regulations, and specific things that is only allowed for the person to experience.

  5. Richard Perry says

    I am tired and that previouse statement is wrong please deleat it as you would have to multiply it by a large facter of about 15000 not exact known number. Please delete it.

  6. Brenda Brown says

    To actually believe that what your saying is true, would be to believe there is no truth, and I simply know that isn’t – true. We aren’t just brains walking around in bodies, we are spirit as well, and the their reality is the ultimate one, where we will be going when we’ve shed this body. Subjectivity may well have two people seeing different aspects of the same car crash, differently, but it doesn’t determine what actually happened. Smash your car into a tree, and the fact is, your car will be a crinkled mess, and your injuries may well kill your body – whether you subjectively like it or not. Likewise, die on the operating table, and your spirit may be allowed to experience Heaven or Hell, God or Satan, depending on where you have oriented yourself while on this earth. The final truth will finally put ‘subjectivity’ where it belongs.

    • says

      Brenda, I think you’re missing the point of my blog post. I agree with you that we are spirits, or conscious entities, inhabiting bodies, spirits that will move on to another dimension after the body dies. I also point out in my article how there are objective components to our experience. Like on Earth, we often inhabit a shared reality and in that shared reality we will share experiences together and there will be a lot of objectivity. I point out that in other dimensions there’s also a lot of objectivity. You seem to be getting at some idea of a “final truth” beyond all illusion, or subjectivity. I agree with you that there must be an ultimate truth, which some might call God, I like to call it Source Consciousness which is the One behind the curtain so to speak, the source of all energy and consciousness.

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