Genesis vs Science

September 10, 2012

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Introduction

Up to the 19th century in the western world, creation was quite simple, God creation as depicted in Genesis in The Bible, (other world cultures had other origins of creation), then along came Darwin, if you didn’t believe in God or found the creation story too difficult, this was the answer, we evolved. 

Today we have the two groups, Creationists and Evolutionists.

Many people accept evolution but find aspects of evolution too difficult, so along came intelligent design and creation science…

When I was putting the finishing touches to this article I looked up the meaning of “firmament” in my dictionary I came across, “ The modern bible, and non- canonical related texts, present a cosmology that is incompatible with modern scientific knowledge”. 

Look up “Firmament’ on Wikipedia to see this>>

I don’t know the basis or study the author had done to make this statement but I think when you have finished reading this article you will question his/ her judgement.

I hope the following will be of interest to you.

 It was about twenty years ago when I asked my wife to buy me a new atlas of the world – I wanted to know the names of the new emerging African Countries.

One evening I came home from work and she presented me with an Atlas of the World, I was delighted.


Book Description

An atlas featuring up-to-date information about the past, present and future of the planet, including natural history, weather, geology, sea and space. The colour maps are designed to give a three-dimensional effect by use of altitude hints and to provide easy identification of places – using bold typography – and of physical features. Eleven pages are devoted to the UK and islands. Most major placenames are given in both native and translated forms, and the index lists over 45,000 places.

Reader’s Digest  Atlas of the World

  • Hardcover: 260 pages
  • Publisher: Reader’s Digest (Feb 1 1989)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0276420012
  • ISBN-13: 978-0276420016
  • British edition ISBN 0-276-42001-2

As I scanned through this new book, there were pages in the beginning that intrigued me, sixty pages titled “A World of Wonders”, the latest knowledge of our scientists on a number of subjects I give you the titles, a brief summary of the subjects covered and some of the thoughts that started my ideas that led to this article.

 Pages 4 & 5: The Universe: From Big Bang to an Uncertain Future.

This article introduces the universe, the big bang theory and the expanding universe. dark matter and the concept that when you are looking at a distant star, or galaxy, with the speed of light, you are seeing the object as it was a long time ago.

 Pages 6 & 7: Our Neighborhood in Space.

This article describes the Galaxy, the structure of the Milky Way, no need to go into the details now but what was of great interest to me was the statement that, “ In the central bulge, 30,000 light years in diameter, gravity has concentrated the stars very thickly. If the Earth were orbiting a star there, night would be made as bright as day.”
In Galactic Architecture, it introduces the idea that centrifugal forces are forcing the suns, that make up the Galaxy, out, but gravity is keeping them together.

Also it has a small article on the star Sirius, I knew that this star was the subject of much reverence in many ancient cultures throughout the world.

Pages 8 & 9: Stars: Cosmic Dust to Nuclear Furnace,

This article describes our Sun, its size, position in the Milky Way and how our scientists think it was formed.
What got my initial interest was the cycle from the Supernova, through the Collapsing Cloud, the Spinning Disc, Embryo Solar System to Today. Within the spinning disc the Sun and Planets were forming, they started off as clouds of “cosmic dust” obviously without structure or “form” and that as the planets were forming the Sun was getting brighter. It also covers the scientists ideas on Black Holes.

Pages 10 &11: Solar System: Empire of the Sun.

This article describes the structure of our Solar System, the planets with a lot of technical details.
It starts off with “ Some 4.6 million years ago, a spinning cloud of cosmic dust and gas contracted to form a young star and its retinue of planets. What emerged was the highly ordered structure of the Solar System.” The Solar System is highly ordered, the Sun, the planets and moons all have their places, positions, orbits and rotations set to patterns, they do not stray from these patterns.
( The concept of “order” in creation is, in my opinion, very important, it’s touched on in later parts of this article and is the subject of a later article in preparation.)
We have recently been introduced to the idea of information manipulation in space, I Cloud, SkyDrive etc the power of orbiting bodies , satellites, but the planets are also orbiting bodies, could they be ????? MMMMM
When I look to the sky I see these tiny specks of light, compared to the Sun And Moon they are small but do they have an influence ???? Why are they named after the days of the week ? and the Gods in both English and Latin languages? what influence do they have on our make up or soul?

 Pages 12 & 13: Partners in Orbit.

This article describes space exploration by the various “ inter planetary space probes” it has details of the various discoveries made on the moon and planets of our solar system.

Pages 14 & 15: The Moon: A Fossil Planet.

This article describes the Moon, starts by summarizing the various theories about how it was created and has details of its cycle and composition. Also details of other moons orbiting the other planets in our Solar System. Of interest is that our scientists say that the Moon came after the Earth was formed.
The Moon does not retain an atmosphere, so there is no weather system, consequently the craters made by giant meteorites that bombarded the crust during the early years are still in evidence.
The Moon is very important for the development of life on planet Earth, it exerts a force or forces that establish many aspects that lead to the correct conditions for life to develop, the tides of the seas and oceans are just one.

Pages 16 & 17: The Making of the Earth.

This article describes the cycle of the formation of planet Earth it goes through the following:-

  1. The Cold Dawn of Early Earth.
  2. The Melting Pot
  3. The Crusted Earth.
  4. The First Sparks of Life.
  5. The Air that we Breathe
  6. Laying the Foundations for the Modern World. 

What struck me was he statement “Because the Sun was still too young to radiate large amounts of heat and light into the Solar System, the atmosphere was cold and dark.
Soooo, when the Earth was forming, it started out as a shapeless cloud of gas and dust and has slowly become the planet we know today, the Sun was getting brighter????

It also states that sedimentary rocks have been found that exist from more than 3.5 million years ago, that means that dry land and the weather system existed long before this.
Fossil remains of microorganisms, life, that lived more than 3.5 billion years ago.

Pages 18 & 19: Earth in Space.

This article introduces the Earth in its ideal position in the Solar System where water exists in its three states, gaseous, liquid and solid because of its position and distance from the Sun, the magnetic shield created by the earths magnetism, along with the layered atmosphere protects us from all the nasty cosmic things that the Sun and space throw at us.

Pages 20 & 21: The Continental Mosaic.

This article introduced me to the full extent of Plate Tectonics, how the plates of the earth move about causing the continents to move across the surface of the planet.
I use the Geologic Time on EnchantedLearning.com, it shows the Geologic Time Scale with a nice moving picture of plate tectonics.
One point that interests me is, I think that it was Grahame Hancock that pointed it out in one of his books, is that Giza in Egypt is about the centre of the present day land mass, put one finger on Giza and run it around the land mass, down the west coast of America across to Asia up over Russia, this is best done on a globe, Google Earth is difficult and almost impossible on a map, go to the other side of the globe, it’s all water, the Pacific Ocean, but have you also noticed looking at plate tectonics that Giza was also about the center of the land mass in the projections of Pangea 270 million years ago. If at this distant past time one of the poles, north or south, was over Giza (the sphinx) could centrifugal forces with the earths rotation contribute to the movement of the plates?
I have long been interested in mysterious alignments after reading Alfred Watkins book The Old Straight Path back in the late 1960s ——I have studied small alignments such as Stonehenge and the Belchin Triangle in Switzerland, France and Germany, many others but the new publications bring this into a new dimension, the one I like most is the Easter Island, Nazca, Angkor by Jim Alison, an alignment based on the Golden Ratio Phi 1.618 look at some of his work it is out of this world. ( Geographic Geometry)

The ancient Egyptians often showed their gods with measuring instruments, could there be some significance in this? This will be a major point in an other article I am preparing for future publication.

Pages 22 &23: Volcanoes and Earthquakes: The Shuddering Earth.

This article introduces volcanos, terrific explosions that put millions of tons of debris into the sky, the ring of fire, subduction zones.
As I am reading and thinking about earthquakes and volcanos, I thought about plate tectonics, when I looked at the layers of strata I wondered about the conditions that were present when parts of the Earths crust was moving all over the place. The geological record seems to indicate that massive earth movements, earthquakes, and volcanos took place in that far distant past, most of it before the early emergence of early man.

My mind went to Revelations in The Bible:

Revelations 16 18 “ and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since man were on the earth.

What source of knowledge did John have to make this incredible statement?
How did he know about these massive earthquakes long before man existed on this planet?

Pages 24 & 25: Mountain Building: Forces that Shape the Earth.

This article shows the mountain ranges in the world and how they were formed.

Pages 26 & 27: Mountain Sculpture: Landscapes of Erosion.

This article shows how erosion has shaped the surface of the earth.

Pages 28 & 29, Rivers and Lakes.

This article shows the waters on the planet.

Pages 30 & 31: Rocks: Recording the History of the Earth.

Igneous, Metamorphic and Sedimentary rocks, locked up in them is the story of the history of the surface of our planet. We can see what happened and what conditions prevailed at the time of their formation. The layers of rock tell the stories of the land movements, the seas and the formation of life.

In the past this could be seen in natural cliffs, quarries, mines etc, today we are cutting roads through mountains, exposing more and more layers that can be looked at and studied by the layman.

I loved the story I was told of a geologist, on ski holiday in the Alps in Europe, he was studying exposed strata and became excited, the oldest layers were on the top and the youngest layers underneath, this meant that the surface had done a complete flip.

Pages 32 & 33: At the Oceans Edge.
Pages 34 & 35: Atlantic: Driving Continents Apart.
Pages 36 & 37: Pacific The Vanishing Ocean.
Pages 38 & 39: Currents and Tides: The Energy Balance of the Oceans.

Pages 40 & 41: Atmosphere: The Earths Screen.

This article talks about the atmosphere, it has various layers, each one carries out an important function in protecting Earth from harm, without these layers life as we know it, would not be possible on planet Earth.
My mind went to a mystery I had read about, in the Quran, V3- He created the seven heavens (skys) in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Gracious. Turn your eyes again. Do you see any flaw.
There has been a lot of speculation about the meaning of this text, one is that it is describing the layers of the atmosphere, plug into google-Quran layers, you can read all about it.
As I read the speculation and I study the the words most of the ideas are esoteric.
How did the writer about one thousand four hundred years ago know about layers?
It also brings in the concept of the creation being perfect, orderly, addressed in other ancient documents, specifically, The Book of Enoch.

Pages 42 & 43: Weather The Restless Air.
Pages 44 & 45: Climate: Clothing the Landscape.
Pages 46 & 47: The Changing Climate.

Pages 48 & 49: The Story of Life on Earth.

This article shows the development of life on Earth in four stages:- 1, bacteria, trilobites, 2, plants, shellfish, early insects, trees, & fish, 3, the development of those life forms in 2 to the early dinosaurs 4, the massive abundance of life that exists today, mammals are in the very later stages and man is right at the end of this scale. This is as shown by the fossil record. It also introduced to me the concept that there had been abundances of life and mass extinctions during the various eras of the existence of the Earth.

Pages 50 & 51: The Emergence of Man.

This article shows the emergence of man in five steps through:- 1, The First Steps, Lucy etc from over 3 million years ago, the first possible humanoids? 2, The Handyman, 3, Out of Africa, 4, Neanderthal Man and finishes with 5, The Communicator, us. It also introduces ancient foot prints found in strata, 3.75 million years old, Michael Baigent does a good job in this area in his book “Ancient Traces,” footprints from 500 million years ago??? this throws a big spanner in the works, I have possible explanations in a later article.

How did the ancient writers know, the very simple idea that Homo Sapiens was the last to arrive on the planet, as indicated by the fossil record ??

The following articles are also included in the atlas:

  • The Settling of Man: Farming and the City.
  • The development of civilization, Mesoamerica, Mesopotamia and the histories of ancient China and India
  • The Wanderings of Man and the Making of History.
  • Discovery, Empire, and Independence.
  • Earths People: Health and Wealth
  • The Global Harvest.
  • Managing the Planet’s Future.

As I read through these I was impressed with the simple presentation of these subjects in a manner that the ordinary guy like me could understand the basics.
Much of the knowledge was new to me….. each page was packed full of the latest knowledge of our modern scientific world, many sources, each contributing to this overall knowledge.

I had no education in these subjects, I did not have the fortune or misfortune to have had indoctrination into what the academics taught, I had started a method of studying that involved selecting a subject, finding all I could about the subject, from all sources, this was difficult only ten years ago but today you can find the academic view of the subject and most of the contrary views somewhere on the internet.
After finding as much information as I could I studied it and classified it —–good, possible impossible, through this process I applied reason to each piece of information, I analyzed it in my mind, this lead me to conclusions.

I was guided by Islamic tradition, I quote from World Scripture, A Comparative Anthology of Sacred Texts, “These collections are the fruits of Ilm al- hadith, the Science of Tradition, which establishes criteria for deciding the reliability of traditions, classifying them as “sound,” “good,” “weak,” or “infirm.” “

I read through the pages in the atlas once and again and again, there was something in the back of my mind, something like a message, eventually it started to dawn on me that the modern scientists were saying something similar to the creation story of Genesis, it was the SEQUENCE of what our scientists were saying compared with the days of Genesis.

One main lead-in, was the words from:

 The Making of the Earth,  The Cold Dawn of Early Earth (4.6 Billion Years Ago)

The text says “Along with the other planets, the Earth was born some 4.6 billion years ago out of a cloud of gas surrounding the early Sun. Particles of dust in this swirling cloud collided and coalesced to create our embryonic world.”
‘Because the Sun was still too young to radiate large amounts of heat and light into the solar system, the atmosphere- was cold and dark. ‘

Then I went to Stars: Cosmic Dust to Nuclear Furnace

  1. Supernova
  2. After the Explosion
  3. Neutron Star
  4. Collapsing Cloud
  5. Spinning Disc.
  6. Embryo Solar System
  7. Today.

So, what do we have, after the supernova, in the collapsing cloud and spinning disc, cosmic forces start the formation of the Sun and planets, the Sun starts to burn so becoming brighter and giving out heat and light, the planets are still clouds of cosmic dust ( cosmic dust could be gaseous liquid or solid, or a mixture of these.) As the planets and Earth are forming the Sun is getting brighter, my thoughts went to Day One of Genesis.

I was also studying the other days of Genesis

Before I go further on this analysis, I would like to raise the word “DAY” in Genesis, this has been a stumbling block for most readers of The Bible in the past. The word means a unit of time, the time that our Earth takes to rotate one time, now it is obvious to most modern people, that the Earth took longer than six earthly days to create and “Day One” of Genesis could not be a modern day because the early Earth, the ball of gas and dust was certainly rotating at a different speed than it is today.

At this stage I looked up the word in a dictionary to see if I could get some more understanding :

  • *Astronomy, a single rotation of a planet in relation to its primary.
  • *Astronomy, the period on a planet when its primary star is above the horizon.

Not a lot of help, but it does introduce the astronomy angle and the concept that a day could be an era as in the “old days” or “ancient days”

As I was pondering over this, a “day” must be millions or even billions of our days, with the help of the geologic time scale I had a thought that it could be something galactic, the time that our galaxy takes to rotate once, 220-250 million years I read.

  • About 250 million years ago at the start of the Triassic Period the first dinosaurs appeared.
  • About 500 million years ago at the start of the Ordovician Period, primitive fish and other similar life forms started to appear ,
  • the Cambrian Explosion was 500 to 540 million years ago.

At this stage I propose that the word “era” is appropriate as a better translation from the original text than the word day.

From the dictionary, era means an indefinite and very long period of time.

From that I went back to Genesis – are our scientists are telling us the story of Genesis?

My thoughts lead me to the following: 

Genesis taken from the Authorized (King James) Version often from the Gidions. I travel quite frequently.
(Note: dictionary definitions taken from the New Oxford Dictionary on my Apple.)

Day 1

Genesis 1-5

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Dictionary definitions:

Heaven

  • abode of the God or Gods
  • the sky.

Firmament

  • the heavens or sky.
  • the sky conceived as a vast dome.

Form

  • the body or shape of a person or thing.
  • the arrangement of parts; shape.

Scientific knowledge.
The Solar System was formed after the collapsing cloud during the Spinning disc period, the Sun was not giving off light or heat during its initial formation but gradually became brighter and brighter. The earth was originally without shape, cosmic dust, it formed into shape by cosmic forces through a liquid phase to become the wonderful planet we live on today.

Formation of extrasolar planets around a newly formed star (video)

The Genesis text seems to me, a fairly good description of this.

Day 2

Genesis 6-8

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Although this text does not refer to layers, it does bring together the concept that the atmosphere and the weather system are linked.
The atmosphere is the layers of gases that surround our planet, Earth is the only planet in the Solar System with a suitable atmosphere for life to develop, the atmosphere has various layers, each one performs a function protecting our planet.
Basically water from the surface of the planet evaporates, rises and hits the colder air in the upper troposphere condenses and forms clouds which in turn fall to the surface as precipitation, watering the surface of the earth.

See this article about the Hydrologic Cycle>>

This is the basis of our weather system that waters the surface so that life can exist.
An atmosphere, water below and water above, Genesis seems a fairly good description of this.

Day 3

Genesis 9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth: and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit whose seed was in its self, after his kind and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and morning were the third day.

As the planet Earth was cooling down gravitation took the heavier elements such as iron to the center and lighter elements such as silicates came to the surface forming a crust, the gases and liquids formed the oceans and seas and atmosphere.

Run plate tectonics back to its beginning, they usually start about 800 million years ago, so dry land was in existence sometime before this.

The oldest rocks found are from the Archeozoic Eon. 3.9 – 2.5 billion years ago

I am finding it difficult to establish how old dry land is but presumably the plates shown in the early plate tectonics are dry land 800 mya so dry land is very ancient. The plates came together as Pangaea.

The next was a puzzle to me, the fossil record seems to indicate that grass and trees did not appear until many eons after the establishment of dry land.

The earliest forms of life in the fossil record are bacteria —— now click on Tree of Life in Fossil Record – Eubacteria—– you have the bacteria making up the Tree of Life.

The BacteriaTree of Life

What is the meaning of “seed was in its self”? Could it mean the ability to breed or multiply, the very basis of life. Could it have something to do with the series, The Seed of Life, the Egg of Life, the Flower of Life, the Fruit of Life ending with the Tree of Life?  ( See The Flower of life article.)

 

The term “after his kind” will be dealt with in a later article.

I have not found an explanation for the word “grass” at this early stage but it is fairly obvious that before we had flesh eating animals we had to have herb eating animals, grass and grains are the most basic foods for many animals so herbs must have appeared at a very early stage in the development of the Earth.

This seems a good summary of what could have happened during Day 3.

Day 4

Genesis 14-22

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament. Of the heaven to give light upon the earth.
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

As I was pondering over the other days, day 4 was a complete mystery to me, I had some logic for the other days but for this one I had total mystery, too many questions I could not come up with a logical answer, we already have a Sun , moon?

 

 

It was some years after I started this study that I learnt about precession, the movement of the Earth that makes the zodiac constellations move across the sky, with a complete orbit approximately every 26,000 years.

As I was pondering the word “set”, I realized that everything in the Solar System and beyond are in set positions.The stars that make up the zodiac constellations are set to move across the sky in an orderly fashion, or more correctly the Earth is set with a wobble so that they appear to move across the sky in an orderly fashion, they are SYMBOLS, Leo, Pisces The Fish, Leo, the Lion etc in many ancient cultures.

The planets orbit in set orbits in our Solar System. The Earth orbits in a set orbit in the exact distance from the Sun for life, creating the year, the set tilt creates the seasons, the rotation, the day and the orbit of the moon, the month. Interesting I can find no astral explanation for the seven day week, more about this later article.

 dictionary :

- Set, put, lay, or stand something in a specified place or position, there is also a sense of creating order, as in “she set the agenda for the meeting” or “he set the table” ie creating order on the table.

Thinking about the word “order” where have I read about the order of the stars?
This now takes me to The Book of Enoch Chapter 2, “ Observe ye everything that takes place in heaven, how they do not change their orbits, and the luminaries which are in heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order.”

Could Day 4 be describing the final adjustments to the Solar System before advanced forms of life could be created on planet Earth?
Most scientists recognize that cosmic impacts are responsible for knocking the planets and the moon about, could it be that these impacts where planned, rather like a pool or snooker player sends one ball moving to hit another so that the second ball and other balls end up in the exact position he wants. This could have been single meteorites or multiple strikes and at angles to put the Earth, other planets and the Moon in their exact positions.

This has emerged as, in my mind, as a very strong study in favor of God Creation and is a very possible explanation of Day 4.

 Day 5

Genesis 20 -23

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

 

Day five is quite simple, this could be the creation of fish, whales, (mammal) birds etc, this fits in nicely with the start of the Ordovicain Period 500 mya to the end of the Permian Period 248 mya when most of these life forms first came into the fossil record.

Day 6

Genesis 24 -31

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth on the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over every creeping thing that creepeth on the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him: male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Again quite simple, the fossil record indicates that mammals where the last animals to arrive on planet Earth, although the whale is classed as a mammal, the four legged land animal was the last to arrive and that Homo Sapiens was the last of these.

Day 7

This is the subject of a separate study.

In Conclusion

As I was preparing the text, it was the sequence, the seven days of creation in Genesis that struck me, it seems to be exactly the same as that which our modern scientists are saying…

  • How could someone thousands of years ago have written this text with such accuracy?
  • How did someone all those thousands of years ago know that the earth was once without shape and became a globe of cosmic matter, liquids, and how did that person know that it was without light when it was first forming?
  • Is it coincidence that the solar system is at the outer region of the galaxy where the side of the earth which is not facing the Sun is facing to outer space, darkness, except for a few sparkling lights, the stars thus making day and night?
  • How did that person know that after the formation of the globe that the next important stage was the formation of an atmosphere to protect the planet from the Suns radiation and the establishment of a weather system to water the surface?
  • How did that person know that, as the Earth was maturing that the surface formed a crust of various elements which became the first land and water formed the seas?
  • That the surface of the Earth became a breading ground for life to start?
  • Did he/she know that the moon came after the Earth?
  • Did this person have an understanding of precession where the zodiac constellations move very slowly across the sky, did the writer understand the orbits and rotations of the planets, and the tilt of the Earth to make the seasons?
  • How did the writer know that whales, birds and fish came before land mammals and that all these animals came before man, primitive man is not supposed to have this knowledge?

I leave the readers to make their own conclusions, I know Iv’e made mine.

My theories are based on nearly fifty years of study and a lot of thought, each is a possible explanation if you have other applicable information or knowledge on any of the subjects discussed, I welcome constructive criticism.

The concept that this ancient document has a scientific basis has lead me to study many of the other ancient texts searching for clues, in the past people could read an ancient text and not understanding it they would pass over, not searching for a deeper meaning, consider it as an early form of science fiction, magic or just plain mumbo jumbo, today we must look deeper.

In summary, I would like to emphasize that it is my opinion that Genesis is a description of the creation of the Solar System, not the Universe, as some very prominent people in high places have suggested.

If you follow my logic , in this and future articles you will be able to have a possible meaning or explanation for all of the mysteries of the world, mysterious artifacts, buildings, mysterious mythology occurrences, you will maybe understand the messages that came out of antiquity.

If you bring all of the threads together and I mean ALL.

Copyright 2012 I. Penn
Presented with author’s permission

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William John Meegan August 14, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Neither the creationist or the Darwinist or astronomy, geology or whatever worldly science you compare it to explains the creation story of Genesis. The bible being a totally symbolic document is mathematically structure and can only be understood by understanding the alphanumeric structure of each word plus its symbolic designate. People are far to lazy to be giving up their leisure time to pursue the WORD OF GOD. Good heavens you think people have time listen to God you have another THINK coming. People that give an hour a week to God feel that they are being imposed upon. They have better things to do with their time.

The entire creation account represents the Birth of Consciousness. The world is an illusion. The world does not exist, it never did exist and it never will exist. Saying the world is real is like saying a dream is real. The mind is a vortex which ego-consciousness attempt to make sense of. What makes the dream any more real than the world you say you’re living in? Read Carl G. Jung work called “AION’. Here you will learn how you project what you want onto the world.

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Mathew Alex November 10, 2012 at 12:27 am

Hi….

I am just writing what Charles M had written in another post. As its related to this I am posting it here.

Check the age of the earth in Google.

Genesis says seven days to creation & each day is 24 hours.

Now do a simple math.

Day 1: 24
Day 2: 24 X 24 = 576
Day 3: 24 X 24 X 24 = 13824
Day 4: 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 = 331776
Day 5: 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 = 7962624
Day 6: 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 = 191102976
Day 7: 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 X 24 = 4586471424

Co-Incidence?

I thinks Book of Enoch provides many a clue as to the missing links in the Bible. Remember that book was used & preached upto the 3rd or 4th Century AD, even by Jesus Christ & his Apostles.

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daniel October 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm

How do you explain the presence of a Phisical GOD in the “Tora”?? , are you Charles Marcelo??? , gracias , your articles are very interesting ,Daniel Tasin

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Penn October 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your response, no I’m not Charles Marcelo, Genesis v Science is my first article on this blog, I have other articles in preparation for future publication.
Your question regarding a physical God, is, in my opinion, very interesting but part of a much bigger question or series of questions, Who Is God? What does God require from us? Are there other God than the Lord God? which God should we love? which God gave us the rules to live our lives by? etc
Certainly the ancient records, specifically The Bible & Tora, but also many of the other ancient documents record stories were God is reported as physical, this is the subject of one of my studies but this not yet ready, I hope to give you more information, my thoughts on the subject, sometime soon.
Penn

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Maurice Smith October 17, 2012 at 1:17 am

My Message goes to Penn (remember, I’m french Canadian, so…)
Is there God’s physical; Yes and No!!!! Yes because God is Spirit. No Because God could, if He want, take any form is which, there’s nothing that God cannot do, except kill Himselft. The Spirit of God is not in the matter like many people think, the matter is not enough pure to He. Elohim is a name to refer, because God is than one, but He’s One. To give you an exemple: The light is white in color, but if you passe it in a prisme, you will obtain 7 Colors, like Seven Day’s. In the Book of Revelation, God have Seven Spirit at is service, That mean that is 8 One. But in reality, IS Nine, All-in-One. When He had created the Univers ahe the Earth, the part that was Dark in I’m was no more with Him, He has seperated Darkness from the Light. At this hour Satan the prince of Darkness is no longer in Heaven, like I said, God has giving him a place, this place is Earth.
I know that this may sound weird, and if it’s so, it is due to the fact that I did’nt all that exist, visible and invisible. To have something to refer to, the best is the Pyramide’s in Egypt. If you have seen those Pyramides, you have probably notice that those Pyramides different height, this is not a coincidence” The first one, so, the little one (Mykerinos) is the one of the True God, the second one (Kephren) is the one of the Son (Christ), the last one, is the one of the Word.
The Egyptsian did not construct the Pyramide, those who’s responsible for those is the People Of God. You can verified my affirmation in the Bible: Isiah 19:19-20. Those Pyramides were not created for tomb’s, in the chamber og the King, there are no encryptions, no paint who describe the life of Pharaon. So, think about it Penn, if there were a King in this chamber, well his gone, the treasure also, the food, the gold, silver and offering, event the paint on the wall is gone!!!! There are more proof that the Pyramide is not for funeral service. The real purpose is to expose the Plan Of God in the Stone. The World have rejected the Christ, He’s the Angular Stone, like it dais in the Bible, and that’s why Kheops dont have is Cap Stone. The True God is the One in the Bible, like it or not. The God that was on the Sinai was a Angel that is the mirror of the Holy One. And I think, but I’m not shure, that Melchisedeck was Jesus, and probably the Angel Michel in Revelation.
To explain the real thing, I would have to write many books.
When you look where the Shpinx are, you see that all the Pyramide can enter in the other, Mykerinos can be place in Kephren, this one can be place in Kheops, naturelly i’m speaking about the volume.
There are 9 number, the 0 is a computer, there are 9 angle when we look at the 3 Pyramides, all the number have is place on those angles, begining on the top of Mykerinos you putt the (1), the left angle (dont forget, I’m were the Sphinx is) is (2), at right (3), up Kephren (4) etc… Angle 7 is were there’s no Cap.
That’a all for now.

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Brenda Brown October 5, 2012 at 10:22 pm

You paid very close attention to detail in the reading of your new Atlas. Not everyone ‘listens’ that well. If you can see the creation of a solar system, you can see the creation of the entire universe. Yes, ‘day’ in Hebrew, does mean anything from a 24 hour period, an Age, to a distinct period of time, so of course creation took longer than 6 24-hour days. Firmament – the layer shaped as a dome, refers to the Zodiac, confirmed in several aspects of the creation account, including the word ‘set’. I’m writing a book on the subject of the Zodiac in the Bible – there’s a lot more said about it than I ever heard before I wrote it.
The reason the phrasing about ‘making man in ‘our’ image’, is plural, is because God isn’t alone. The Bible itself speaks of the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, but there’s more than that – and I’m not referring to ‘aliens’. Have a look at Angie Fenimore’s book, ‘Light Beyond the Darkness’.

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Penn October 6, 2012 at 11:30 pm

Brenda,
Thank you for your response
So sorry I directed the question regarding the firmament and the comment regarding the plural of god in your message to Helen when it should have been to you, I was rushed yesterday, I have a family to respond to and still doing a job that requires a lot of concentration.
OK no need to repeat the question, please read my response to Helen.
Light and darkness this is the subject of my major conclusionn to my studies,
I will look at Angie Fenimore’s book. I thank you,
Penn

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Maurice Smith October 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm

My message goes to Brenda
Speaking of 24 hrs day’s is the right way to see what the Bible want to let us believe. In the case of the Earth, and I see the subject with all that it emply. Why the day in the Bible could not be longer than 24 hrs? 1° The plants need the Sun to grow, tu much Sun would mean more evaporation, not only from the plant, but for the soil. 2° Accumulation of heat could be a problem for grass when the Sun shine, if there’s lakes and rivers they could suffer from evaporation, to much is like not enough. To much heat mean no wind, naturelly that depend on factor like; water/soil, the coolness of the water versus a land that have absorb heat during a long time= wind. In our day’s the cities that have a lot of sky scraper will accumulate a big portion of heat. 3° Our inner clock would have us sometime awake when is dark, and sometime in daylight. So, I hope that I have prove to you that a 24 hrs day is really like it was in the beginning. 4° Till the ancient day’s the Hebrew have computed the calender, they did’nt have to rectified it. I hope that it’s enough proof for you to consider, and hope that I’m clear in my writing, I’m better in french.

Good weekend all of you, Maurice Smith

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Helen C Parks October 5, 2012 at 3:33 pm

The second detail that derives from the Hidden Texts of Nostradamus is that while it was ELOIM (Elohim) Who appears in Genesis 1, it is Enki and Enlil who appear in Genesis 2.
Enlil being the YHWH of the Earth Project…the captain and the one organizing things.
In the 14 clay tablets of Enki – the subject of The Creator arises…where it is obvious that those of the Nibiru solar system have great respect for the Mind of the Universe – that Which Art in Heaven…and apparently according to Enki – the One who controls either one’s destinies or one’s Fate.

The Anu (as we know them) have 12 strand DNA and when “creating” humans “in their image” eight of those strands of DNA were omitted… one of which would have meant humans would not be mortal beings.

What I am stating here derives from the Hidden Texts of Nostradamus – who was himself taken just as Ezekiel, Enoch, Isaiah, da Vinci and many other ‘prophets’ – taken to be shown the future

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Penn October 6, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Hello Helen,
Thanks for your response and input.
My first questions are, about your comment “Firmament-the layer shaped as a dome, refers to the Zodiac.”
Where is the first reference to the firmament being in layers?
Genesis puts the creation of the firmament in day 2, my study puts the establishment of the Zodiac Constellations in day 4, i.e. ” God set them in the firmament” this infers that the firmament already existed when the stars were set in the sky, do you have more information or comment?
All ancient documents including the Bible have more than one god, it was the three monolithic religions that introduced one God, why do the Ten Commandments say ” You shall have no other gods before me”? this infers multiple gods I will be covering this subject in a later article.
Thanks for reminding me about Nostradamus, I have of course read his quatrains, more about this later.
Where did you get your information about DNA? this is a subject that interests me, I write about it in an article that should come out in about one months time.
One little feeder, in Isaiah 66-24, right at the end “Upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against me. For their worm does not die” look up “worm gear on the Apple dictionary, you have an engineering device in a helix, just like DNA.
When you list the prophets, why did you miss out John the writer of Revelations, in my mind the most important prophecy in the Bible?
I think I cover taking the Bible and other ancient texts literally in my article, as you said Nostradamus suggested.
Looking forward to your response, thanks in advance.
Penn
Iain, I think the above addresses your questions.

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Maurice Smith October 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm

I’m french Canadian, so please excuse my English writing.

In the scientific world, the Universe; so Earth and Moon, is only 7,000 years old, I’m writing a book on that subject. If you want proof of what I’m saying been true, you’ve got to study “the polonium in marble”. It apear that marble is a very fancy material, once you have cut your piece, the little pieces that are left can be melted, but in the processus the marble become something else (I don’t remember the name they have given to it after the processing). Now, what that mean? It mean that the Earth was not a piece of molton lava. The science guy who made this discovery said that the tempeture was normal, about 90°F, surprise? If you are, I’m not. You see, accordind to the logic, were there are intelligent contruction, behind it there’s intelligent who as made it, and this intelligence is God. I believe in God not because my mind or spirit is weak, but beacause it is the only explanation that is logical. If people dont believe in God, it is just beause they dont understand I’M well, and I understand enough God to know what I want from us. Speakin of God; Eloihim refer to God the Great and Is Son only, there is no trinity. God is Spirit, and is spirit is Holy, Is son too. The Holy Spirit is the Father (energy) is Son is the contructor (vibration) John 1: 1-4, there are no third God. The other subject that need to be rectified, is the day of 24hrs. The day at the begining was the same as now today. If the day was longer, the Sun would have kill the plant and the animal. When the time to go to bed, the animal would have to sleep on the hard sun causing great lost of water. This is not the only trouble to be solve, how and when should I plant my vegetable, what will be if dryness is to long? How could I irrigate properly.
For the last subject, the Earth was surronded by a globe of ice made of pure water (H2O), this was the cause of great age for our ancester. The water is the only element that can block the deadly sun ray, like X-Ray that are the first responsible was aging, there are also Gamma ray UV (this one was not totaly block (high frequency), and infrared. The Earth lost this globe when a big meteorite strike the Earth. To make a short story; the ice globe fell down on Earth and the earth craked and water under pressure instantly emerge causing the deluge, the ice globe enter in our atmosphere causing the rain to fall all over the world. If you look in the Bible you will see that after the deluge the man dint’n live very long like before. Thanks for reading me.

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Maurice Smith October 9, 2012 at 11:40 pm

Hello everyone

Sorry folks, I did’nt explained myself well, so I will this time. In the King James Bible or else, does’nt matter, we read and I quote:

Genesis 1:6-8
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

You see, God as divided the water who’s uder the firmament from the water under the firmament. So, in space the tempature is -458.6°F, you dont have the time to spit, it’s frozen. Now imagine, way above the firmament were there’s no air to bread, you have that water in the state of ice. Now, in our atmosphere, they’re are 7 layers of atmosphere, ex: atmophere, stratosphere and 5 other that I dont have the name in hand. It was estimated that the ice over the atmosphere was 1 to 4 feets thick. But 12 inches to my estimate is enough to keep ourself out of the danger of deadly ray like X-Ray and Gamma ray, in a certain manner the Van Allen Belt protect the Earth from those nasty ray comming from our Sun. In our atmosphere thre are only 17% of oxygen, when God created the the world, there were about 55% of oxygen, this is another reason why our ancesters could live almost 1000 years.
Now there is another thing that I want to clarified, in the Bible there are only 1 God. The God who gave the Ten Commandments was not God himself, but a Angel that was like the image of God himself. When Paul talk about the Ancient Testament, I did’nt the choice to talk about the Ancient Text, the New Testament was only wrote couple of years later. In the Text, Paul mention that the Ministry of Moses was in fact done by Angels. For those who believe in Nostradamus, I have just one thing to say: Good luck. Nostradamus was not a prophet of God. God is in the Heaven, not in Space, God is not a SpaceMan.
Extraterrestrial man did not manipulated de DNA, and the Gray are not there to do so, neither the other race of angel. The Gray dont have the permission to arm anyone, they only have the right to watch the planet and to take some few humain to another planet in our solar system. They take blood and certain specific parts from cow, because the blood of cow ressemble a lot like man’s blood. They take those samples to analyse how much radiation are in the different part of animal that we eat. They are peaceful, they dont want us to blow the planet, because there are many, many Gray who live on our planet, they were there when Christ was born, they live underground. They wont arm us, the only thing that they have to defend itself, is a paralyzer, no weapon that can kill an human.
Those who are kidnaped on another planet are well treated. I’m not very certain, but I think those who are kidnaped brought on Mars, certain region are habitable, dont believe the NASA, just a bunch of liers, and I’ve got proof of that.
Read your Bible, the science that you get from it will be stronger that the science from are scientifics, and much more realistic and logic.
For those who believe in 21 Decembre 2012, sorry but you have spend a lot of money to be in the surviver. Well, check it out, there will be no Great dammage to Eath, it is just a manner to make money like they have done in 2000, remember the BuG, the bug was your money, and God know’s that they are short of it. So, dont be worry about 21 Dec. 2012, this day will go smoodly like any other day’s, and if there’s a catastrophe somewhere, well, it’s normal, dont get excited, cool of, the center of the galaxy is to far to have a impact, so merry Christmas everyone! You will probably be not on earth….But on snow, Yahwoo.

Maurice Smith

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Penn October 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm

Helen,
Please read my response to Brenda, sorry for any confusion.
Penn.

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Helen C Parks October 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm

In November 2011 the article SIX DAYS was published on page 4 of the web site of Nostradamus.
This forum (as he calls them) was put together because Nostradamus said to TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY and many people seemed to be having trouble doing that.
The forum can be seen for free of cost at http://www.hiddentextofnostradamus.com

In no way does it contradict the article here

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Iain Inch October 5, 2012 at 3:08 pm

I to have wondered about the Genesis Story and if you look at it from a different perspective it really does appear to describe the creation of the Solar System. Apart from the Bible, other ancient civilisations have their own creation stories and what I have discovered is if substitute the words the ancients used to describe events etc then one finds that they are all describing the same thing.

One other thing I find very interesting is the use of plural that occurs in the Genesis Story e.g. And “God said let us make man in our image” does this mean that God was not alone in the creation of the solar system?

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wishbone October 5, 2012 at 9:26 am

creation or evolution. religious nutters who haven’t got a clue, and scientists who are as thick as two short planks. how about this; creation IS evolution, evolution IS creation, they are both right, but both wrong, there is a “god” but its not a gigantic guy with a big white beard sitting on a cloud running a holy dictatorship over the world, who knows all, and punishes those who dont believe in him. “god” is a sub-atomic partical at the centre of every single atom throughout all infinity, it doesn’t make rules, or make judgements, it does not punish, all creation / evolution / infinity is just a reflection of that partical in the process of experiencing itself, it is a question (what am i,?) creation / evolution / infinity is the attempt to answer that question.! “i am the begining, i am the end, i am that, i am.” or “i am evolution, i am creation.” please wake up to this reality and stop killing each other in the name of a god that does not exist,!!!!

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bill heaney October 5, 2012 at 9:17 am

You didn’t need fifty years of research to discover that the Bible aptly described the origins of life and in the correct order, that has been known for a very long time. What the Bible proves is that intelligent beings walked this Earth a lot longer ago than we are led to believe. The Bible isn’t the first to describe creation, it is based on far earlier texts. Many of the Bible teachings and stories are found in the writings of the Sumerians, and they claim their knowledge came from the gods.

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wishbone October 5, 2012 at 9:37 am

yes, that too, those we used to call gods, angels, watchers, seraphim, ect, ect, are simply very advanced beings that have been here before and throughout human evolution and the chances are its them who genetically engineered the human race in the first place, but even they are subject to evolution, they are just further along.

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Penn October 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Hello Bill,
Thanks for your reply
I’m interested in your comments, what do you mean by ” the correct order, that has been known for a very long time”? can you give me the basis of this statement, I will study.
I have studied the chronology of the creation stories, the theory that the Sumerian story is earlier than Genesis is based on the idea that Moses wrote Genesis, this theory has very tenuous roots, study it. There are creation stories that basically say the same thing, from different sides of the world, from the lovely story of Rangi and Papa, by the Maoris in New Zealand to Popol Vuh of the Maya.
I used Genesis as the base for my article because many people know this story, if I had chosen the Sumerian or another text I would have been writing to a select few.
Penn, the author

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NB October 5, 2012 at 12:43 am

I am just an egg but your knowledge fits to mine in many places.

I would also suggest that the micro-cosmic is just as large and fascinating.
On the right track.

Thank you for filling many gaps and sharing your extraordinary work.

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